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I saw Rebels with amputated arms carrying a AK with just one arm and with his one hand he's taking out his amputed hand and gesturing doctor put it back and he had gangrene smelling blood red eyes on drugs the day we had to go on the first flight to South Sudan from the same flight I was the nominated nominated officer from my paltan to receive mortal remains of Lieutenant Colony mahipal he was from mechanized infantry who were ambushed in bore cargo terminals say I was getting the paperwork done receiving the Mortal domains and side by side I was seeing my troops lined up going to board the same aircraft and I knew that where we are going to go right now is not what everyone has been perceiving it to be so we've done a bunch of military podcasts with special forces veterans but the Infantry is one of the most and I'm using this word positively but one of the most chaotic specs of the army life in the Infantry is all about chaos going into situations and figuring out what to do on the spot thinking about teamwork thinking about combat very actively it's a very chaotic lifestyle as major summer tours spoke about in today's episode the biggest Joy I get out of doing these podcasts is absorbing experiences from so many of my guests and there's a limited amount of experiences you can gain from someone who spent most of their time in urban environments but what about someone who spent so much of their time on the ciachen glacier what about someone who spent their time in Africa what about someone who spent their time primarily on the battlefield this is a conversation with a warrior another epic military podcast for more podcasts like this make sure you follow us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world because we're a Spotify exclusive major summer tour is on the runway show today sharing all his experiences and all his perspectives foreign thank you for being here sir you have such a friendly face and I know that there is such a dominating badass energy behind that face so I very very Punjabi energy I love it how's it going so how are you uh so far so good okay as usual okay that's how it goes you know life is like that and even if it is so far not good we better make it good what does an army career do to a person's mind uh it helps you uh acclimatize to your surroundings even in the most uncomfortable manner or a situation you are in I mean it makes you accept the situation in which you are you know so it it uh it readies you to face All Odds out of your comfort zone because as I always said you know uh life is intense that is why heartbeat pattern is like a frequency you know and if that frequency goes it becomes straight there's nothing to talk about yeah so that's how you know Army molds you as per the frequency of fluctuation in your life so mentally it's shaping you to take on All Odds whatever you're going to face Inland or abroad wherever you may be so yeah it keeps you ready I would not want to face a guy like you in battle I mean every officer that I met there is this one very thin layer of intimidation I feel maybe in the first micro second of meeting the person which goes away the moment you smile the moment you talk you know it fades away but in your Warrior Avatar I would not want to face an Indian army officer and I've met enough to know that they're all badasses like the Indian armies are very aggressive uh Force that's what I'll say and I I don't get how with the internet in the modern day with internet penetration how these terrorists are not understanding the ferocity of the Indian Armed Forces why would they consciously want to take on people like yourself we are trained to lay down our lives mentally and physically we've been trained we've been programmed in a much better and a refined manner where I am while in service I was and I still am mentally and physically ready to go into battle and I am ready to accept the consequences of my wife becoming a widow of my children becoming often I mean that is the kind of patriotism uh and that Zeal and that uh you know Pepe enthusiasm and Josh that we still have and that's not going to go it's like a a positive virus that has been imbibed into us that tomorrow you know if they say okay you guys are veterans but you need to go in there I'm not going to think twice I'm going to go in so if they think they are ferrigns we are even more worse than what they think we are it's just that you know we are controlled we are working in a uh organization where we have to protect democracy you know we got to protect civilization we go to create an atmosphere of comfort for our citizens you know we've got to protect them from the bad element and you know they say that in search of uh a hero there you know Devils exist but you know in terms of destroying the devil you need a bigger devil you know I mean in today's scenario it has come to that that to a teacher develop a lesser you've got to be a bigger devil you know yeah we are not here to be heroes we are here to tell them to lay off because it's already too late for their mindset to change so now it's time that we already give them a message that it's better to lay off because you've got to meet a dead end anyways yeah I want to ask you both about your first combat experience and the one that was the most intense or the one that stayed with you the longest I'll let you pick whichever one you want to talk about first uh I'll tell you first time when uh I handled uh the model remains I was at CI chin so you know it's fight against nature over there the environment is so harsh and you know I don't know my first posting you know so I felt like a physical stud and everything you know but that is one terrain which pushes you beyond your mental will you know why it's it's very difficult there is you have to fight for oxygen to breathe you got to fight to gather your energy after every 20 steps you get you got to carry your own battle load in that environment they are blizzards they are crevasses the temperature is in minus you've got to fight against frostbite you've got to fight against high altitude pulmonary edema if the condensation effect in a glass if you put cold water and you put it out in the warm environment so you see the droplets so in the lungs water accumulates due to the variation of the body's temperature body temperature and the outside temperature and the air that we are taking in so you know you you've got to fight it out and these are things beyond your it's beyond human control can you describe siachen uh sort of from the first time you saw it in terms of what was in your mindset about how it would look how it would be versus what did it actually look like and what it actually feel like uh once I got to know uh where my unit was so I just boarded the aircraft I was wearing my normal combats my jacket and everything was in my bag so the moment I landed at a particular place there and the moment you know that gust of wind hit my face when I walked onto the stairway onto the tarmac that is where I realized I said this kind of chilled air I have not experienced yet and that is where the troops along alongside me said yeah because I was I was that unprepared you know I I've never been to such a Terrain ever and that's the highest Battlefield on Earth how old were you I was probably 24.
23 24 24 years of age and what are the temperatures like it used to go up to minus 30. wow minus 30. minus 30 degrees Celsius yeah I've been in like minus five and it was like horrible cold there's no way my imagination even reaches that point why don't you describe what minus 30 degrees Celsius minus 30 used to be like you know where I feel helpless I start to laugh when things go beyond my control so at times I just sit there as you start laughing and this is so I used to be like yeah helplessness yes that's the best motivating factor that I could face you know in fact when we used to go even to the loop we used to time it that will not be in the loop for more than 180 seconds really that's like three minutes so it used to be that bad if you go beyond that three minute Mark what happened I mean it affects your body you know that kind of temperature and that kind of altitude you know your your body organs and your uh metabolism because see you at such a height and there's no Oxygen so firstly you don't get sleep you need sufficient oxygen for your mind to be at ease and calm and to sleep so oxygen number two you need oxygen to digest your food again due to lack of oxygen you don't feel like eating food you know two potatoes I mean you've taken two stones and you've hit them together right potatoes and tomatoes used to be like that it used to take where in a normal condition it takes just half an hour for food to boil and get ready or at times the even overboil within half half an hour it used to take one hour for it to just become normal in its thawing process so that was the ground reality that hit us you know and we had Russians there but we couldn't consume because you know it is humanly not possible to consume it maybe we didn't because you know we're fighting against nature what is the food that you're given there see we have tinned food preserved food like we have canned pineapples canned uh Chico's uh baked beans and then uh we have dry Russians thicker than we have for energy we have chocolates what is a dryer dry Russian is like you know uh dry uh dry kind of masalas and everything okay because they can't be in that semi-solid state then we have MREs meals ready to eat for the putting it in boiled water what does it taste like uh it tastes good but uh the technical aspect of it is you know it causes constipation obviously operationally you know when you carry all these things with you in your backpack so obviously I can't keep going to the loop so they manufactured in such a way you know technically and scientifically you know with the specifications that once I consume that particular MRE uh you know probably I need to go and clear my stomach probably or in 12 hours or maybe 18 hours then in a usual environment where I need to go after four or five hours or something so yes it does have a effect on your body mechanism and Metabolism I mean we are officers but at such at such Heights you know 20 000 plus feet above sea level and minus 20 minus 30 you know you are you can't be uh nagging your troops all the time you've got to make an environment comfortable to them you've got to keep acquainting them with the training you got to keep training them on the weapon systems you got to keep updating them about current affairs and all and probably like when my father was in CI chin during his times there was no connectivity at all you know they used to just write letters Inland letters you know just to just write the blue ones you know you could fold them and just seal them and send it this is in the 80s yeah this is in the 80s I'm talking about my dad was in Seattle in 8687.
Roughly when it was recaptured 84 it was taken over and off make dude came into place on 13th of April 84 I believe so and my father was there in 86. I think it's important very briefly to just touch upon uh why it was even retaken uh there's a lot of gen Z listeners teenagers who are not familiar with the siachen story everyone knows what sea urchin is everyone knows how brutal it is not everyone knows the backstory so if you could just brief the listeners a little bit CI chin is a tactically situated it's a glacier basically at the reason why it was taken in haste was it is a tri-junction where it borders with Pakistan and China and that is the Tipping Point where the distance between Afghanistan and India is the least so what comes in between is the karakoram range so when I was supposed to say you know uh we used to hear the blasting taking place on the enemy side you know what do you mean what do you mean blasting is basically the the Chinese were helping them construct this karakoram highway okay so the whole day you know I wish to keep blasting away you know you could see geopolitics live in front yeah we saw it unfold you know and uh we could even see the satellite systems that these uh the enemy used to use uh to overpass our location and also we we we are aware okay if they are watching us probably we are watching them more yeah which is why strategically that particular point is very important yes very critical yes which is why it's guarded almost throughout the year and I don't want to say the winter because what happens there in the winter honestly Winters is very excruciating you know there's a lot of blizzards that take place it's it's um kind of left alone right like there's no one who serves during the winter no no no no it's it's occupied see it's occupied yeah with time and technology and the kind of equipment we have these are occupied throughout the year now one second so when you're saying minus 30 degrees Celsius I'm assuming you're talking about the summer yeah yeah yeah yeah so how cold does it get during the winter you see it remains almost at part at this temperature itself it goes up to minus 70 minus 80.
So there we are told during our training in battle school that if you go into the crevasse you do not have more than half an hour to survive so this is what they tell us in training that every step you take think twice follow the drills what's the logic of a crevice like uh is it that as you're walking on land suddenly something can open up and you can fall in see it's it's all ice that you're walking on basically it's all compact ice so ice is of different density it is literally hard ice crystallized eyes you know I mean even if you would fire a bullet into it probably the bullet would not even go more than uh like 15 centimeters Beyond you know that tough eyes so uh the density of ice is different then you know the these uh the ice is Shifting and melting constantly speaking about that so what usually happens is the top layer of the eyes is visible because you know ice snow keeps falling constantly so the the the snowflakes they keep interlocking and you know it becomes like a carpet you know so yeah so we keep probing every step we take first we probe with the rod to check whether you know the rod is going to go right in means they are a lot of depth to it so let's check so with the ice X then we you know remove the eyes to check so if there is a gap in between it's your lucky day you didn't go in so probably you change your route but usually we Mark Our Roots and we know that this is the actual route that we keep taking but you know when there's a lot of snowfall that track gets covered again so you go to again you know it's a task again that you've got to recheck recheck recheck because the ice keeps shifting so we can't take things for granted can't do that every step you take have you fallen in no no no like and it's a luck Factor about you following it's yeah you could say it's all luck a destiny you know it's you know that's what I say it's like on the edge it's like you know you've got to accept few things in life you know I can't move on you know with the fear of fact that's what I you know that is how we are programmed you know like get it on here if I'm in I mean my fight is now how to come out of it I think this is a great point to actually begin speaking about Sudan and we've had Colonel berwan on the show okay give us a little brief kind of insight into the situation in South Sudan uh you've been there for two years of your life probably I would argue in the prime of your career you served in Sudan yes immediately after seeing immediately after so you're done with siachin you've seen a version of hell I see hell almost you got a break of a bit maybe or maybe you didn't even get a break six to seven months that to Preparing physically training hard getting to know about the south Sudanese culture which is what traditions Customs okay it's it's see the division of Khartoum and juba is North Sudan and juba is South Sudan is was based on religion so khatum is Muslim dominated and South Sudan is Christian dominated okay then they consist of two multiple tribes but the main tribes which are there are Dinka tribe and the Nova tribe so president salvakir is a Dinka and vice president Rick mashar is a newer so in 1992 there was a rift between these two tribes where a lot of dinkas were massacred and probably that Fallout took place unfortunately in 2013.
where the dinkas then head back at the newers however the numbers were the ones who tried to and there things went beyond out of control and uh the few footages where I have I have reported about tanks firing at people there by the rebels and we were also a constant Target there so in 2013 we were to move in and you know excitement was there but things drastically changed the day we had to go on the first flight to South Sudan from the same flight I was the nominated nominated officer from my paltan to receive mortal remains of Lieutenant Colonel mahipal he was from mechanized infantry and for uh other other ranks to Jovan's hey uh who were ambushed in boar of Maha regiment so it was a very eerie and a very a goosebump kind of a feeling where cargo terminal say I was getting the paperwork done receiving the Mortal remains and side by side I was seeing my troops lined up going to board the same aircraft inside so that was a point of time as an officer I was in a dilemma and I knew that where we are going to go right now is not what everyone has been perceiving it to be everybody's mindset changed un posting is you know usually seen as the prestigious posting is the cream of the Indian army you know we are representatives of our nation you know so it's the best of the best that go there or foreign soil to operate and you know with that mindset it is something like you know that Black Hawk Down kind of a scenario like the truth moving out from the air base into the city to get the guys out so it was something like that that we are going to enter into a country where you know just hit the fan and There Is No Escape because the terrain is such there is no place for cover what about the Sudanese Army it's called spla so do these people Liberation Army so basically they have a warlord kind of a system so every area has the this is Indian language so they are the people who gets the maximum number of Fighters is given a rank accordingly so you know a coral could be a guy of age of 30 year old and he's just recruited a lot of young yeah he's got like 200 guys with him so they joined the spla they get trained and everything and and I think being a warlord is very important in a modern country like that and probably even being aligned with the warlord is very important just simply to provide for your own family you've seen that movie 13 hours secret soldiers of Benghazi you know what are the Saving Grace of that particular CIA Safe House the local militia they got them out from there you mean life so you've got to see initially the the spla is a amalgamation of both the tribes tribe so all is well till they are together and all is smooth no difference is happening but the day when a field military coup took place on the 6th of December 2013.
around 6 to 700 news were massacred in Juba and once the news was out that Rick mashar has fled Yuba and it was a failed attempted coup on president salvakir was a Dinka so what actually went chaotically very wrong was in military barracks uh troops went rogue wow so everywhere you know we were hearing gunshots everywhere like the soldiers turned into the soldiers turned onto themselves there were very few units which had a compact uh Team of Dinka Noah together but otherwise uh the lot of defection taking place the newer Commanders who were you know the formation commanders they defected from the spla from with weapons with every Arsenal everything right from tanks to weapons to ammunition to troops to Logistics and administrative support they said pack your bags let's move out and we'll regroup and we'll come and we'll hit them back again so it was so chaotic you know the initial six months of 2013 till the month of December things were like quite okay like it was fine we focused on our uh training aid and weapon systems and regular routine and schedule that we had interactions with the UN staff and training modules taking place for troops regarding human rights and Protocols of fire fire drills and everything and uh but at the back of the Mind 10th of April 2013 that we had received mortal remains so be careful eventually six December things went wrong and on 20 on 19th of December evening four o'clock there was an attack at a temporary operating base in okobo where around 3000 Noor tribes took over a U.N base which was being run by uh which was occupied by our troops even troops and how many troops do you think were there uh we had approximately a plateausen there 30 people 30 30 boys and uh they had 46 Dinka refugees which included people of all ages including pregnant women young girls boys elderly uh couples young couples 46 So eventually when they came they overpowered uh the whole site and all were armed and they did not give any reaction time and they shot all 46 refugees yeah and they looted the whole camp and a lot many things happened which probably I'll not disclose because 3 000 people 3000 Rebels with ammunition yeah proper armed along with machetes because for them ammunition is very critical so if they find an unarmed person so they use a measure T rather than wasting a bullet what was the life of civilians at this time and this kind of a situation is breaking out uh overnight we were not prepared overnight we had 15 000 refugees walk into our camps so where are where are uh barracks and accommodation was so refugees were right outside it was it was filled like jam-packed in fact the cemented Pathways that we had we could literally tell them that please get aside we need to pass by things were that bad the whole city the city of malakal was totally overrun there was a charge of thousands of rebels onto our around our log base is it the same one you showed me yes and scary it's like it's way worse than what I've seen in the movie Blood Diamond which showed sort of a version of uh Sierra Leone being overrun by rebels this was way worse what you actually showed me yeah I mean you see the actual footage there were child soldiers I saw uh Rebels with amputed arms carrying a AK with just one arm and even cocking that AK with their foot and again getting ready to fight I have seen soldiers of the spla come at the U.N gate and with his one hand he's taking out his imputed hand and gesturing doctor put it back and he had gangrene smelling lot of lies and probably a little bit of maggots there he was injured for probably two days my God and uh blood red eyes on drugs this guy came up to the gate and the protocol is they have to surrender their weapon note on the names you sent to the hospital this guy was operated and this is a doctor a colonel in the hospital where I made a call I said one guy is coming he's carrying his amputed hand in his pocket just just see to himself I'll do that obviously was disposed of got it done his wounds this guy gets up on the second day comes back at the gate and says give me back my weapon I said sorry we've destroyed it that's what our protocol says it's been destroyed how did he react he didn't react much he just walked out with uh the glucose the drip that he had he just walked out what does this do to you as an observer as an observer I tried my best I told the hospital staff outside the spla people already there to take him with him with them and I realized this is not going to stop if this is the level of approach that they have despite losing a hand after 48 Hours the guy is not even healed he's ready to again go back without a hand into combat I said where does it end yeah you know you said something very interesting outside so he said that the Special Forces is efficiency oriented and they're supposed to cause chaos in Enemy Lines Behind Enemy Lines uh the Infantry has to deal with chaos being thrown at them and then figuring out what to do in the chaos and everything that you're saying about Sudan is exactly that kind of a situation it's just chaotic you don't know who's against who you just know everyone's aggressive everyone's out for each other's life um now you're talking about the soldier who had his own hand in his pocket and then went back into you know the war zone like it was just normal in fact the moment when he put his hand in the pocket to take out his hand to show it to us my boy's already cocked their weapons and pointed it onto his head because that has also happened exactly and the worst case scenario was the rebel forces and the government forces were almost in the same uniform they were just they had just one band onto their arm the rebel forces um for the viewers of this podcast we just took a two-minute pause in the middle it might seem like it's continuous for you on the edit but we took a two-minute pause because this is where the chat gets a little bit intense so you've taken off your Blazer yes I'm like let's get it all now yeah let's let's talk a little bit more about this you just spoke about the mindset of the people there so um I want to ask you what it's like when you're facing these people in combat see the moment there was a touchdown from the aircraft on South Sudan or tarmac the kind of perception that you're having airports um so we got closer to reality the sooner we started moving to our bases bases were approximately 500 kilometers away from each other the most effective and quickest means of Community Transportation was by hepta so we knew there is no backup we on our own so it was by on the 19th of December where I was I was telling you attacked water we lost two ratios one ah Rifleman mundle was shot to the right side of his chest gunshot wound this is all in skirmishes this is when the the newers came and attacked and killed those 46 refugees and overran the Kobo camp and everything and the worst part is that the the newer officials were part of the government came much later into the picture they should have been the before to stop things happen they came after everything was over there we got a fair picture that things are going to unfold in terms of demography are going to get hit so we were to prepare ourselves accordingly at all our locations so malakal is the upper Nile state which is adjoining it is very oil Rich refineries were left in oil wells were left in South Jordan so the issue here was that because oil content is so high that if they try to do farming and they try to do digging and all oil is there so it's restricted you know so that is why firstly there are lot of poverty of farming importance in everything and so when this attack took place then on 20th of December then the hectors went in and we got back our boys and everything uh bmps were there left there they were disabled how did those guys survive there's 3 000 people facing 30 people the local newer officials made it very clear to the rebels that you touch these guys these Indian troops the other things will go out of proportion so these three thousand Rebels just came for the 46 refugees exactly wow and they they tried not to harm the 30 jawans much yes but in this skirmish these warrant officers came in tried to intervene and they were so high on drugs the the Rebels the rebels young guys they shot them point blank in the chest as in as in they said don't kill these refugees let's talk what is the issue let's sit and talk they are unarmed but they overthrew you know they just took the day they uh almost kidnapped uh troops with weapons and everything over part them and things were really not it was the most unexpected thing to happen there the least expected ever that was a place which was in isolation nothing there it is just that they got the news of Archer 46 refugees okay let's go in that's where things went ugly you spoke about these guys being high on drugs yeah what drugs I really don't know they were taking some pills you know and the bloodshot eyes they were child soldiers most dreaded element why Child Soldier you walking by in a petrol you're going in a vehicle you just know don't know what's in the kid's mind you might just um caught the weapon in fact the weapons were always cocked these were AK-47 AK-47 they had rounds in the chamber already so they never had to you know follow any drill it will just point out and that's it it's very difficult for a civilian to wrap his or her head around this you know trained inventory veteran you know what it's like using weapons you've trained people in using weapons you have kids yourself you have two sons yes how do you mix the Two Worlds of weaponry and battle with the child's mind I I try my best not to discuss anything in terms of combat with my children I mean they're too young my eldest son is still five years old so he still remembers little bit of my slithering from the helicopter and when we were at you know jumping is to see these troops to you know do the free Falls and everything he has very faded memories of it but I try not to stress on to that because you see at an early age if I expose my child to combat stories and everything so by the time he's in 10th or 12 for him it will be just a normal thing you know and knowingly what about these African kids and how how young was the youngest child Soldier I'll tell you what is the actual scenario that they face I was at a port location where the ships dock I saw a kid almost at the same age of my eldest son which is five five four or five years old he had a lock he had a threat tied to the hook of the lock he had at regular interval hooks of the threat like Loops coming out knots in that he put few grains of rice took it over our pocket rice and few kids gave him worms okay I didn't know what exactly was doing with that later on I found out he's throwing the lock right into the water and then he's pulling it pulling it pulling it so there's a fish called tilapia in the River Nile so I saw him for almost two and a half hours that was a route which was once the War Began so the Inland uh roads were almost blocked so it was the waterways through which through which the world food program used to get the food and everything to these badges these ships so I just went and I saw and I called Meg what are you doing he said I am arranging for food for myself that's a very apparent so he said they're dead so I said whom are you with Kathy these are my group of friends with no parents so I said so how do you manage so he said we listen to our boss so that's one Elder kid compared to others in age probably seven or eight years wow just a bunch of small kids and they get something they that's their food and they're also taught how to use weapons the child soldiers were probably eight or nine years plus of age probably they knew how to use it that is why they were carrying the AKs you know as a young officer of the Indian army you know you always are full of Josh and jasba Junoon and you know yeah and through about okay let's get this on and I want to see combat and all and trust me I I at times you know when I sit back and I think I think I wished a bit too much which I Repent because these are the memories which are etched into my mind till the day I die are you still healing from them it's not about healing it's about uh as a warrior I feel we were destined by God to experience this it has made us mentally more strong and robust and I don't see any healing aspect in it I see a lot of learning aspect in it what did you lose I learned life is unforgiving survival of the fittest air if you don't make a move either like termites the system will eat you up you'll be finished else you make the first move and save yourself if you don't make a move the other person is going to make a move and your head is going to be on the table so you know Katana it's better to use sweat and bleed in peace well I mean you sweat more In Peace So that you bleed Less in war so for us as infantarians you know it's uh during training it's wet and even bleed for us during peace because that Fear Factor you can't live with you got to live without fear without fear I mean the thing that pushes a human mind to face fear is fear itself so that is one it's an antidote virus which was injected into us so to overcome fear you have to face fear yeah while you've had a very very intense conversation right now this is one of the conversations where I've spoken the least because I could just feel the things you were saying and I didn't want to stop you anyway I just wanted you to talk about the truth on the show I think that's what people got to know um it's very important stories like this are exposed to the public we didn't have access to these stories when I was in college when I was in school and I feel like more people need to know the greatness of our military Armed Forces so on behalf of the youth services thank you for your service thank you really appreciate you huge opening up on the first level I'm proud to be talking to you for such a long time that you gave me so much of your time so uh I do feel there are many more conversations yet to be had with you definitely uh but seriously thank you for everything and thank you for this conversation it means you're awesome you're welcome ranveer and I have a lot of messages for the Youth but probably we'll do it yeah you're going to get a flood of DMS uh you know I mean direct messages on your Instagram and all that I mean you got to push yourself then it's good happen and moreover today's youth needs to be guided you know like the agnivir uh project you know it's practical it is logical yes sir I mean you know you could get the cream into the forces because that lethargy element is going to be taken out you know that lack of acidical uh uh thing you know mindset that's all going to be negated yeah here you've got to get boys who mean business who do well will shine well they'll get promoted on time and they're going to do justice to another but you know the government you know there's a limit to the load and pressure of what it can take look at the size we are the second most populated country in the world that you expect the economy to be thriving and doing amazingly well but on the same lines you want facilities also so where is the government going to make the savings where is the government going to make the gains I mean you know you've got to you know ask not what the nation can do for you but uh what you can do for the nation first unconditional contribution join the agniwir project the government is put its mind and soul into it has put in good logic into it and the youth is going to get a good direction Society is going to become more refined karaoke 75 Joe uh they will be adjusted into the other forces so you can imagine you're going to get killed soldiers who would be uh situationally be more aware who will be well cultured well-mannered they'll be more of gentlemen there'll be more respect to the ladies in the society a environment of that being safe is will be there you know like how it is in Israel you know the conscript yeah they go in for mandatory service who do well carry on otherwise those who who wish to uh who are not taken into the uh forces get into the Civil Society and are doing decently well so definitely the Civil arena is not going to overlook them or exploit their skill set by giving them low salaries they will be imbibed and absorbed in the society the standard of society is going to go up so logic uh project being criticized whereas the it's going to upgrade the the character of the youth it's going to make them more refined more gentlemanly well trained and in an emergency wherever a country requires more troops at any given point of time it's just going to be announcement and these troops are battle ready and onto the front and ready to face so probably even the enemy wouldn't be able to comply or put logical statistical data so just go to boost everything in a tremendous manner so you know this is a futuristic concept and if you got to move on you got to accept changes you can't be rigid so wherever we are heading we're heading in a very correct direction and I probably we are going to discuss the current affairs aspect in terms of warfare Urban Warfare and everything so yeah so that's how things are going to move forward you see major tour learned a lot from you on this one conversation looking forward to more that's what I'll say thank you sir you're welcome Jain cool that was the military special of this month we've decided internally to always have these military specials released on the podcast every single month if you're not following a Hindi podcast I strongly suggest you go follow it it's on our Hindi Channel there's even more military conversations that we've uploaded onto that channel on that podcast if you don't want to consume the entire podcast we have a highlights channel it's called TRS Clips we'll link it down below and of course make sure you follow us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world one request to you guys is that I would like to know who else you guys would like featured on the runway show when it comes to the military when it comes to people related to the secret Services when it comes to people related to any aspect of national security or State security let me know send in your guest suggestions I'm ranveer alabadia and TRS will return pretty much in three days because we do two podcast releases every single week thanks for the support we'll see you soon thank you
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