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welcome everyone to monster talks uh monster talks is a podcast by trunacheki and kunta content and what we are doing is we are having really interesting thought-provoking conversations around african greatness that is where we have the odd man's are there mansa musa one of the greatest africans who ever lived not just for his wealth of which he's been well cataloged for but also his philanthropy his ability to shape trade politics and um just a better african people free his life versus after his life so what we do is we focus on great africans or potentially great africans who are trying to do work that will shape the continent shape the people and move us forward a significant amount and a perfect segue will be to our host dean my name is dean i host monster talks and what i do is that i run a studio called kunta content and we make great african games my guest today is senna edgy he'll tell us a bit more about what he does but cena is the executive director of afro institute and what they do is they focus on pushing african excellence for the next 50 years so really interesting work in languages in research in cultural deficiencies in culture erasure detection and so on without further ado senna the flow is yours tell us a bit about yourself and what you do yeah hello dean thank you for for receiving me it's my pleasure to to meet you and be here with all you uh you guys and so i'm cena eg and i'm from west africa ghana togo uh my parents came from those areas and so uh i have been doing the back and forth between north america and and africa for the past 16 to 17 years so uh so recently uh during the covet 19 with all all the issues going on in the political arena uh when i heard the comment of donald trump the president the previous president of the united the united states regarding the african nations being a countries and this is when i really decided to start working on the project afro institute it is an idea that i have since 14 when i was 14 years old and i decided to start it or working on it during the cover 19 and this is how i come up with the the organization so the organization is is a research lab in culture and art for for the pan-african audience so what we do is to do research in culture and art we detect deficiencies and then we propose solutions to solve the problems or at least to initiate a change regarding the the those deficiencies so the first problem we detected is that there is too much languages in africa in africa and that is creating a problem uh for for for for the young and the uh even the old but we have issues with the capital human capital development and if you want to solve that issue we need to have a unified language oh wow um yeah davin right into it let's do it let's do it um you've already referenced the challenge and opportunity of having too many languages i think you're completely writing that few continents few people have as many languages as africans do yeah um just maybe are you able to give us a bit of context into a bit of our history in terms of languages the different areas of africa versus china that more or less brought together one and two languages fairly pretty quickly same thing with some parts of europe each nation has its own major language why is africa so different what's the history and what's the current yeah so so so to start with that uh uh we already have dialects right um like let's say for for instance the sub-sahara africa we have like around 300 languages dialects that we call them uh so so how it has always worked in the world is that uh when um uh um empires try to expand themselves and they take other territories they impose their languages to make it easy for the expansion to to to to be a success because when the people you conquered can speak the same language as you uh it's easy for you to transfer your culture and have an understanding for them so the same thing happened in africa with the the the colonization so on top of all the dialects we have we have all the colonial languages whether it is french english portuguese spanish and and others whether it's dutch in uh in south africa so on top of our dialect we have those colonial languages and that is just they are they are now part of our heritage but still we are having issue with all those languages there are some nations that communicate more do trade more steady with europe than with their neighbors and that is an issue because if we have common uh uh challenges on the african continent and we want to solve them you have to be capable to collaborate among us do researches among us among us steady among us and come with solutions among us uh we cannot afford to to not being capable to do researches with our neighbors because they speak another language they study in another another language and we have to uh communicate with people from the other part of the world more than our neighbors that will not work so i think that to get into the uh historical context for the africa i think it has to do with color colonialism and we have to start decolonizing the continent wow um yeah you brought up a really significant scenario where in where in for example kenya or nigeria you will find their largest trading partner is almost always a nation outside the continent maybe the us maybe china maybe europe and of course by extension it does force you to consider their currency their languages their people as more economically important than your own neighbor than ghana for example or in the case of kenya than tanzania or uganda wow yeah that's that's quite a strong statement and i think colony it's it's really an extension of colonialism yeah we can talk about the power situation in africa opportunities challenges yeah so like like like uh uh how's his name yeah aikon has been saying without power we can't do anything uh in africa like the rest of the world is not having the issue the power issue we are having if we cannot have a sustainable power we cannot compete with the world we will always be a little bit behind you know so so so we have to fix that and uh have you heard about aikon and his plan to uh put in put lighting in africa his project with one billion um chinese uh loan given to him yeah yeah he has done great stuff with it and we have to keep pushing with our government institution to to do something with uh with power in africa we need that yeah yeah yeah and i think of a nation like nigeria with so many power challenges and how much i i i remember doing some research for a company i work for and a lack of power or expensive power was the number one reason for companies shutting down in nigeria the number one country wow yeah that's yeah in europe in kenya um cost of electricity is the number one reason for power yeah cost not just not availability it's available it's just overpriced yeah yeah so yeah you're completely right without power yeah we can do it yeah yeah and i always find it so interesting um i remember when i was younger um you have money you can buy bundles you can get wi-fi it is it but without power you're just the same with someone who doesn't have that money yeah that's so true yeah it's i think it paints a really good picture of how important power is yeah yeah no it's like like when akon came to africa he was trying to put in place his projects for africa business that's the first thing he realized he's like yeah yeah we can do anything obviously yeah that's the first thing we need to tackle if we don't have power then we have to start with uh uh innovating in the in the industry before we can move forward but it's something that government should take care of yeah idea yeah yeah and most countries government is the one in charge with the power industry because it's so expensive yeah that uh entrepreneurs don't find it so allering to get into the industry but it can be also a partnership between private and government but yeah that's something that we need absolutely to focus on yeah yeah um yeah okay um so i'll i'll try to pick it up where we had left off yeah yeah to the power gods this might not happen again let's let's wish yeah yeah yeah uh okay so we were speaking about um having africa yes too few versus too many languages a bit of the history i think you fairly communicated how that impacts ability to trade ability to transact across people um so location education very important like if we if you have one unified language we can have a standardized education system and the education system will be will be less expensive because one education program for everyone not every country trying to design their own education program in their own either colonial language or dialect that would be too expensive we we cannot afford to spend so much money uh yeah uh if we can shut the cost down by tenth or by the hundreds the cost of communication will be so so cheap and for instance like i have been lucky that one of my parents come from togo one of my parents come from ghana so i have learned uh i have i went to school in both systems so i learned french and english otherwise if i didn't learn english how are we going to be communicating right now yeah yeah and and even though we are communicating in english it is a it's a it's a an inter a a colonial language we should be capable to have an option to speak in one language if we live on the same continent yeah and one country that comes from africa yeah yeah and i think i i really agree with the cost of education um let me take the example of tanzania um tanzania uses swahili as its main and for the most part the only language um and what that means is that all education is in swahili that's good so chemical engineering in the university is in oh i like that it is it is so difficult for someone not tanzanian to try to learn chemical engineering in swahili if you haven't grown around it yeah it's not familiar to you oh my god i tried reading a book oh my god i just think i've ever tried to figure out but that's good i like it i i i know that tanzania is a leader in um uh cultural protection and cultural empowerment uh on the african continent and that's something i like a lot about that country and their leaders and um i think that the rest of africa should follow their path so like swahili is a language that is in advance right now in what we are trying to do uh yeah improving an african language that uh for the project we have for uh the project of affluence to the project afro the language project swahili uh may be uh the centerpiece of the of of um of the of the language engineering so yeah it may be it's why so i really the main language and the other other one will try to be we'll try to add the other one to to to to it so yeah i like swahili in that i like the fact that it's already in advance so we can rely on something so to start the project yeah yeah and um i'm sure you've had a very interesting internal conversation of whether to quote-unquote market or develop a current language versus starting out afro as a new language how did that thought process sort of settle in your mind well uh the the way we see it uh is that uh um the the language that is most is spoken on the african continent like suahili we should give it much more weight right like we are not going to give more way to a language that is spoken by uh uh hundred thousand people uh or uh or or just one million people we are not going to give it more weight uh in in in the creole project that we are having so it makes sense that the languages that are mostly spoken like swahili takes much more weight in the balance of the during the creation so yeah so i think that is something that everyone has agreed on as yeah as as a way to go and the thing also is that uh um using just like if we want to use a unified language we can say okay so a hill is already advanced let's use yes swahili but the problem is that the goal of the institute is not just to uh uh uh create a unified language the goal also to make sure is to make sure that the future generation can have access to a language that all the african nations dialect are unified within it so if they are doing a research in in the future it will be easy for them they can see that okay this word here come from this part of the of the african continent it has this meaning this like the etymology of the world right so it will be much more easier for them to do research and be unified if all those dialects are within one language that then if you just choose swahili as a language and it will it will break down the um the resistance also to accept a a unified language if their own dialects are part of the cree the new creation so yeah yeah i mean that's that is a challenge especially as you said 300 languages in sub-saharan africa um imagine trying to do any significant research trying to bring together that geographical area it's almost an impossible challenge but we can make the impossible possible yeah yeah if you don't do that there's no growth there's no improvement yeah yeah so to davin um you've had a few cross let me say continental conversations with kenyans nigerians south africans egyptians what some of the feedback you're getting what some of the insights you're getting on afro as a language and some of the negatives and positives that these different regions are bringing to you yeah so so so yes i have conversation with uh with with with people from different geographic areas from africa and the insight i'm getting let's say if we talk about the north africa they already from what i understand they already have a unified language yeah they use uh arabs right yeah arabic yeah so so so so what some of them told me is that okay we have already a unified language but we understand where you are coming from you we understand your struggle we understand that not having a unified language create a division in the in the rest of africa so i'm mainly talking about sub-saharan africa so they understand what we are trying to do and they support the project but but the way they the the way the way we see it is that in the future within the african union there could be two or three official languages if our project is successful afro can become one of the uh uh languages arabic can become the second languages and uh swyle swahili is already accepted there could us still be swahili so we can have three languages on the african continent and and in the within the african union it will be easy for people to communicate uh so so that that's the way we see the coming future um also uh for for other people i heard the like not especially from the african continent uh uh people like from europe nor america when they heard about the project the idea they have at first is to tell me well why don't you guys use english like people most people use english because it's so it's so so easy uh to use so some countries use it and they think that it will solve our hassle but the the only problem that it doesn't solve to use english is that we gradually all our dialect will disappear yeah and there will be no way to save it nowhere for our uh for the future of our children and that will be a huge problem and if you use english it's not going to be accepted by other other nations they will be like okay then why don't we use french we already speak french why don't we use french so let's put all that aside and create a new language based on all the african dialect comes from the root of africa so we can save some culture for our people so but and for people generally coming from sub-saharan africa when they heard about the project they are like oh wow it's a great project i think that if you can succeed doing this that will be good for everyone so generally people like it i just have one bad experience on social media especially facebook when i post the video uh the presentation video of the project and i posted it in a group for african language right and there was one language that came and he put an angry face on the video and i'm like you are a language how can't you like this project surprise yeah and he was from africa i was confused by his reaction but who knows maybe he has the same idea similar idea he was like what so he was angry i wish he's that if he's because he didn't like it i'm a little confused yeah so yeah that's the experience i have so far with the different type of people from different geographic areas a reaction to the project okay awesome um you've spoken i think really deeply about language as a challenge we have a lot of cultural deficiencies across fashion language food and so on what brought you specifically to language and do you have a such process with expanding to other of the creative categories i've mentioned that can potentially assist you in achieving your goal so let's say hopefully in the next five to ten years we already have afro as a language the acceptance is increasing a large percentage of the population has accepted it as a language um how are you planning to get into the other categories of deficiencies yeah so so so yeah it's important for me to underline that afro institute is not a a language organization uh we uh a research lab in culture and art for the pan-african audience so yeah we are starting with language because for us it is obvious that the language issue is one of the issue we should solve before doing anything else like yeah there's few things that you can do uh uh without using a language like you have to communicate with people especially when you are doing social work uh you are trying to communicate with a large group of people you need to use a language so so so for us it is obvious it's the first thing to do there are other language other uh cultural challenges we have among the pan-african audience and that we are going to tackle uh um i'm not going to be speaking about all of them right now there are few ones that i can i can name but i just want people to focus right now on the language because it is the first thing we need to do and and and i would like people also to to realize that we are not just creating a language by creating the language afro the the creole language afro we are also creating a coding language programmation language along with it so the future of the world is going to be online at least a large proportion of it if we create a language we don't create a coding language that goes with it we'll fall behind so so it was a huge project so i'm we are focusing on it right now but obviously there are other problems like the hair challenges among the african people like yeah we are the only people in the world that just wear that our women wear a hair that is not grown from their own hair it doesn't make sense like you can't really discuss about it without being targeted and being caught up so so i am not going to go hard on that but yes as as a research lab we are just going to propose other solutions to solve that problem and that those solutions will be coming after and but but yes we have other issues but right now we are focusing on language because it is the first thing we should do before moving forward okay okay um i think now we can finally get into a fairly interesting topic i think over the past really throughout african culture throughout black american culture and more recently over the past few weeks it's become a touchy point speaking specifically about the n-word it's been used significantly it started off as a very derogatory term still is it was co-opted into a term of endearment among african-american people and by extension among black people all over the world and i think it has created this interesting scenario of language quote unquote discrimination in that these certain things certain groups of people can say who are non-black especially but there are certain things of course black people can say and anytime this conversation comes up it tends to get a bit more complicated than i think it should be um because there are other words across many different languages that it is not uh what's the word wise to say in front of native speakers of that language so just curious about your thoughts your experience with the n1 and what you think we should all consider in that conversation yeah so so so regarding the n-word um from from my understanding it's a word in the beginning that does not have a derogatory a meaning it's a word that means black it's a word that means black and then it has been used uh in a very bad way so it's like a language is a social construct like if if we agree that uh uh tomorrow we are not going to call a table a table anymore we are going to call it a chair then everyone when everyone say chair we will be referencing to a chair and not to a table so a language is a social construct so so so a language can change a world can change its meaning over time so today the end world does not mean black anymore it means it's it's an insult it's an insult now should we ban it no we shouldn't burn it because i think that when you start burning things you are creating more problem than solution then if you start banning it then someone will use it to insult someone because it has been banned because it's a bad world so i think that what we should do is to do an education about it uh talk about it to our children and so they understand how that world become an insult so so so so for today should we tell other people not to use the world but it is allowed for other people to use it i think that has to do always with the person you have in front of you and the intention of the person so we shouldn't do a global banning of the world or like uh uh um preventing some people not to say it i think it has to do when you are speaking with someone or with a group of people if the these people are trying to like uh uh uh be disrespectful you you know it right yeah but if you're speaking to a friend and the way he used the world when you are talking with him you will know if he is trying to be disrespectful or he he's just speaking genuinely genuinely with you so i think that that that that's the way we should be taking it and we should we africans should stop uh being too um uh uh sensitive about things we should start being much more uh rational about those type of stuff like if if if someone has been disrespectful like take political action you can sue him if he has been disrespectful to you you can sue him injustice and win uh so this is the way we should be doing things and stop being reactionary or being like uh uh very sensitive like like let's say the the the the comment of the the previous president donald trump about african nations being a nation we shouldn't like react the way we reacted because it's a waste of our time we should just take a political action like if you speak that way well we we are not going to do this with you anymore we are not going to be involved in this type of activities with you anymore that's what we should be doing and not being sensitive about it so regarding the n word we should try not to be sensitive about it and being just purely rational about it and move forward with your life we shouldn't be allowing other people to dictate how we feel about a certain world or not uh so so there are different people within the the the african audience that sees uh the use of the end world differently there are some black people who like they want they call themselves negros because they say i am a negro that world means black i don't want other people to dictate to me how i should see that world if i should stop using that word because it has been used in a derogatory ways so so so so they want to use it as a way to fight other people imposing on them how they should perceive a certain word because now we perceive it as an insult because it has been used as an insult for hundreds of years and then it changed our way to see it and that's how that's something we should avoid at all costs and it's a fair argument to have as well but if you are speaking with someone and he is disrespectful you should call him out for it and you shouldn't allow yourself to be insulted or whatever so that's how you see yeah yeah i i fairly agree with you in that yes um i think generally as africans we are very good at um making noise at certain points not so much is following through with concrete action with an action that actually has an effect whether it's going to be a boycott whether it's going to be political censure whether it's going to be legal action whatever the next step is i think we need better thought processes around what that might be and in kenya especially we have a battalion called the kenyans on twitter the kenyans on twitter are well renowned for being some of the most organized bullies on the earth it is amazing um we've gone up against and almost always won against very many different opponents from ugandan to tanzanians to nigerians zimbabweans botswanans cnn new york times i believe almost almost everyone was significantly attacked kenyans has gotten a bit overdose from them however the same thing happens a day or two the hashtag are stranded the memes have been made the people have felt very badly about what they've done one or two things you'll get uh like we recently not recently about two three years ago we had a vice president from cnn who had to fly into kenya and go meet the president to apologize for some coverage that they had given some negative coverage they had given most importantly some dishonest coverage that they had given on kenya talking about some violence that didn't exist that was manufactured and so on and a big reason for that happening was as a result of cayenne's on twitter going on two times making a lot of noise however that's a very scenario most of the times nothing like that happens um it just disappears into the fog of internet news and you move on to other things so i'm in full agreement with you we do need a better structure with dealing with our reach dealing with our challenges dealing with our own problems yeah without solutions exactly yeah yeah and yeah other people may waste our time and we need to use our our time smartly like someone make a comment and then we start reacting to it and and that all that time wasted can be used properly uh to do something else and uh i believe that that's how we should we should be handling things rationally and yeah and start yeah and and avoid making knowledge for nothing yeah yeah okay awesome um so on to slightly happier topics um you're working on a few other interesting initiatives uh there's afro academy there's pan africa and there's afro tower maybe take us a bit through each of them what's what are you trying to achieve with each of them and how can the general public assist yeah yeah exactly so so so pan africa is a platform that is going to be long i mean afro academy it's a platform that is going to be launched online and it's going to make it easy for people to learn the language and eventually we are trying to create an artificial intelligence that will be that will be learning the language as we are creating the language and that artificial intelligence will be on the afro academy teaching the language with to people assisting people in translation and and and and also eventually online classes in afro online so so so so afro academy eventually is going to be really really uh involved in creating a pan-african uh uh education system for all africans in the world and people can can learn the language and other programs online in afro language that we are trying to create and also there is the coding language that we are going to create in in afro will be available to learn on the afro academy so so there is that and there is pan africa pan-africa is a cultural organization it's a it's a cultural union uh that has the um the role to to to to create uh uh um the the the the regulatory framework for for for the language project and other cultural projects we have in africa like we when you create a cultural problem we have to enforce it uh uh legally in all the countries that are involved in the project and so so so so pan africa is going to be the the the the cultural union that takes care of that but in the beginning we can of course use the uh existing legislative framework that exists on the african continent like the the african union for instance that already exists but i believe that going forward in the future it may be good to have a dedicated a legislative framework for for for cultural projects so we can move faster and quicker into decolonizing the continent uh so so that's that that's it and there's also afro tower uh like the language project is a huge project um and i we believe at afro institute that we need a dedicated infrastructure uh to gather people in one place to do the researches like there are some research that can be done online but i think that to create a language you really need physical people to meet together we can start with with uh existing infrastructure but eventually afro tower needs to be created because afro academy will be working in that building afro institute will be working in that building pan africa the organization will be working in that in that building and it will make a lot of things easy like creating a language for for for africa is huge so uh if the project succeed is is obviously going to shift the dynamic in africa and in the world because this is one language spoken by 1.
billion people that's a lot that's a lot so so so uh you cannot create a big project like that without thinking about a dedicated infrastructure like like creating great stuff come with a cost so the question is how is culture important for african people how much are you willing to invest in culture for your for your future yeah culture is the most important thing you can invest in if you want your your your the future of your nations the future of your children to be great so i believe that this is a huge this is something we should invest in africa doesn't invest a lot in culture and we should change that if you want to compete with the world and move forward yeah okay awesome um um we can go back and talk about afro the language and some of the specifications you would like the public to be aware of in relation to how the language will work um some of the problems overall that you're trying to solve but then also how quickly we can get people to start speaking it yeah yeah yeah so so so afro that's the name we have we have chosen for for the project language and that will be the name for the language because it's a common name uh that we use among pan-africans when you say afro we know who you are talking about so we believe that in the future a language called afroware will it's a catchy world that will will make it clear to all africans that afro that language is for it's for our people this is the language that saves all our dialect this is our cultural heritage so uh so the language project afro the the the timeline we have for it right now is that the language should be created before 2030 and by 2016 um the future generation the coming generation should be literate in the language meaning that when the language is created by 2030 it should be or it should be enforced at first language within the borders of nation states that has adhered to the project so so so if we do it like that by 2060 uh the future generation speaking afro that will be congruent with the african union agenda 2063.
so so so right now the african union agenda 2063 is lacking one thing it's lacking in culture it's lagging and unified language and if we add that to it the african union agenda 2063 will be complete so so so so this is the timeline we have with the project this is why we want to move quickly forward with the with getting the project out for people to to to to know it and eventually or very soon uh have uh the project within the hands of the at least one african uh president so we can start really seriously talking about this like we just don't we don't want to create a language and hope that people speak with it we are going to collaborate with the politicians to make it a reality to make it a law it has to become a one language and it will be useful if we can uh when the language is created that all the street names in africa change their names in afro so we start really enforcing it this is a pan-african project and it has to be done quickly because time is running out we have to do it now so so so so so that's it and and afro is going to be a union of all the african dialect and of course we have to take into consideration that those dialect has to be compatible among themselves for it to work so so this is why i i talk about sub-sahara countries dialects because they are compatible then other dialects that are spoken on the on the african continent we cannot put all of them together so so this is where we are coming from within when it comes to the choice of dialect but yes it will be a union it will be like it will be a creole language like other creole language existing in the in the world like the asian creole and there's all the caribbean creoles so what we are going to to do is to hire a lot of languages coming from all over the places some of them will come from jamaica barbados the caribbean 80 come from african continents and we are going to collaborate because some of them have much more experience in speaking a creole language already so we will put all those experience together within the pan-african audience pan-african language and then we are going to create that language and the coding language as well so so so this is where we are going okay awesome fantastic i i think that brings me perfectly into just the final thought process and this is focused on extreme and endangered languages in africa yeah we have a significant number of them being very likely to disappear over the next couple of years um because of the malleable nature of culture i'm sure you've been concerned that the same could eventually happen to afro what some of the thought process you have in trying to protect the language for millennia to come so so the way i see it the way we see it at afro institute we cannot speak all those languages we cannot speak more than 300 languages we can speak 300 languages we if we want a unified africa and if you see the rest of the world true guerilla warfare uh uh expansion imperialism expansion they have imposed one language on the territories that they conquered and the reason is that it's much more easier to manage a nation with one language than more languages like you cannot compete with the world if you speak 300 language so so by creating the project afro the afro language the creole language 2.0 are we going to uh um to be um participating in the disappearance of those languages yes of course if we don't do it will those dialects eventually disappear yes it's going to be so so so the way we see it is that we can say we cannot protect each one of those languages for a language to be preserved it has to be spoken by a lot of people yeah if we have 300 languages all of them cannot be speaking by billions of people at the same time yeah yeah we have to make a choice here so the way we see it at afro institute is to create a creole language and save all those live dialect at least the most important part of all of them within one unified language that will be speaking by billions of people so we are saving those language within one language but we cannot save each one of them individually so there is a choice to make and we think that that is the right one to do yeah yeah awesome yeah completely understood completely in agreement um i think the challenge also with so many of these disappearing languages is that they also get replaced as you said by the conquerors language by the imperial language it is possible even now um it is so wrong that even now so many years after colonization has ended that still happens however i think it's a perfect opportunity for a new language to take the space of one that has disappeared or is endangered where there is this continuation of african culture of african thought process yeah yeah okay awesome wow any parting shots for other pan-africanists would like to assist afro institute in the work that you're doing yeah so so so if if you guys go on our website afro.institute if you go on the website you can listen to the presentation video on the website you can download the black paper of the project and read the project and also you can send us your if you are language we need a lot of language from all over the world among the pan-african audience from the carib from the african continent wherever you are in europe north america but like send us your your your cv your experience in language if you are language we need a lot of you guys so eventually we are going to meet somewhere on the african continent and do research it is also possible that there will be uh well there will be different branches around the world and there could be different groups working on the language in different parts of the world but there will be possibility for you guys to meet and collaborate online and physically so yeah if you like the project send us your cv and and if you if you want to help us also uh with the um afro tower the building of the afro tower if you are nations or an individual out there and you want to give away 10 hectare of land to build the afro tower the the the the the infrastructure in which we are going to be working to build the next generation of language for african people yeah we need you to participate in that if you're an architect and you want to build that you want to create the the um you you are willing to to to help us with the uh construction plan of the of the of the afro tower you will be more than welcome send us a message and we'll get in contact with you and we'll collaborate together so and right now also if you are a a leader uh in in a government in africa whatever the government especially in sub-saharan africa and you are willing to help us move forward with the project to to to get in contact with all the african leaders so we can move forward with this project you will be more than welcome to contact us and then we will collaborate together to make that a reality yeah okay wow awesome um thank you so much for your time thank you so much for your energy and for your thoughts it has been a fairly interesting learning experience even for myself and hopefully also for your audience um so to hear more about our institute go to their website as he stated afro.institute www.afro.institute yeah and also don't forget don't forget like to make this project a reality we need donations so on the on our website you can also give us donation and through paper credit card or also you can give us crypto donation and and right now the organization is incorporated in canada but eventually it will be incorporated in sub-saharan africa in a nation uh where we are going to build the afro tower we will incorporate the organization in that in the in that city or in that country so we need a lot of donation like it's a huge building that is going to that is expected to cost around 300 uh million u.s dollar so like you cannot build uh the future you cannot build a huge project like this one without a huge institutional building so we have to be capable to finance our own organization like the idea that the african union parliament has been financed by china yeah i mean thank you to china but we should be capable to be financing our own institutions and this is one of the tests we have in africa we need donation and go on your website if you like that project and donate support us to make this project a reality yeah okay awesome thank you so much thank you so much for your time and have a lovely day i know it's early morning in canada it's late night here in um kenya thank you so much for your time uh thank you so much for our viewers and see you soon bye yeah it has been a pleasure thank you a pleasure a pleasure bye
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