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no sooner had President Putin annexed four regions in Ukraine then his troops were forced to flee from a key City in one of them and Russian tank defenses were breached in another the humiliation wasn't lost on Russian commanders with the Chechen warlord ramzan khadirov calling for Moscow to use tactical nuclear weapons my guest this week from Kiev is ihor javka Deputy head of the presidential Administration has Ukraine backed Mr Putin into a corner where he might use his nuclear Arsenal you may not have any other Battlefield instruments to to withstand the Ukrainian counter advances so I think Ukraine is taking this seriously and the International Community has to take it seriously for now though what has changed the fortunes of Ukraine's armed forces and can they keep up the momentum how do they treat suspected Ukrainian collaborators and why is the door to peace talks still firmly shut welcome to conflict Zone thank you for having me your forces have had a spectacular month six thousand square kilometers seized back from Russia you've just taken one of their Key Supply hubs in donetskin you've broken through in the south in kerson how important are these latest successes to you both on the battlefield and psychologically well uh thank you for this question really it is very important on the battlefield I mean uh if you take the first days and months of War many in the world didn't believe that Ukraine will not be able only to even to withstand the the war and then to have any major success on the territory of uh my country but throughout this more than seven months of the war we we proven to ourselves first of all and then to the world community that we can not only fight with the Russian aggression we can withstand this Russian language we can stop this Russian aggression in this country but we can counter to have counter advances and definitely we will we will uh we will have all our territories back so that is why it is important that we have these counter advances on numerous directions we have very good advances on the area almost all the region of harkive uh oblast is is liberated by Ukrainian Armed Forces really we have good advances in the donors remember Russia wanted to capture all the lugansk and Donetsk region immediately from the beginning of this open War because they were trying to capture it from 2014 not any success is happening for them on the donors candle against region and the same you're right here on the south around here soon uh it's also uh our armed forces are advancing it's it's more slowly than the harkiv region but it's very important so it's really a very important thing for the armed forces and really right you are morally moral it's important for our people for each and every Ukrainian citizens living in Ukraine or having to leave Ukraine for a period of time uh when the war is happening but all of US presidents Ukrainian people Ukrainian government uh you know helping each each of us in our own manner to bring this Victory and really what it's doing what is done by an armed forces of Ukraine is really at Mark not only Ukraine but I think you know the world what's brought about this stunning change in your fortunes on the battlefield and can you maintain the momentum well first of all once again is to the strength and Mastery of Ukrainian Armed Forces but secondly this is due to the equipment ammunition and weapons which is coming in the more bigger quantities from our Western Partners most of the countries to which we applied at the beginning of War to bring us additional heavy Weaponry additional artillery additional tanks armored vehicles additional multi-launch rocket systems are now starting to help us and this is what really shows and this is what really helps to Our Success because you know you cannot find only what they what they with a gun you'll fight the Modern War and you make the counter advances with the modern Western Equipment yes we've got some equipment inherited from the Soviet Union but now we proved again to us and to all of the world that ukrain regular armed forces can Master the model Western NATO equipment and we can fight with it and we can win with it so yes I think we will be able to get the momentum it was very important for us to start this counter Advance before the winter time because Soviet is much more easier to make counter the advances during the uh the the the the the the uh the time which efforts to do this in winter time usually it's much easier to fortify to defend so that's why our Armed Forces will make everything possible to to to gain this momentum and to move forward how do you expect the Kremlin to react to your advances I'm assuming you don't expect Putin to accept these defeats shrug his shoulders and walk away well I think well well well he hadn't had been having absence of success on the battlefield you know if his Armed Forces uh definitely not the second strongest army in the world as he portrayed his Armed Forces probably he had bad reports from his generals about the strength of the Russian Armed Forces but as a reaction to these success of Ukrainian Armed Forces he probably you know had to to to use this several instruments one of them those sham referendums which he orchestrated on the part of the Ukrainian territory which is now temporarily occupied so he's trying to now to make an attempted annexations another attempted annexation the same way as he did it in 2014 that's why very important now not to to repeat the mistakes of 2014 with the world Community the international partners of Ukraine let me very honest overslept these actions which Putin uh was doing so really this is a very good time when all the International Community reacted negatively these same referenda and these attempted annexation was in their position and different formats at different levels and that's helping Ukraine to fight the Russian aggressor isn't the danger that you push him into a corner and force him to react he has after all weapon systems that you don't have I'm talking about nuclear weapons how do you assess the chance of him using at least Battlefield nuclear weapons especially if you keep beating him on the battlefield well look this is not the first time in during this open War when he blackmails all of us not only Ukraine all the world with a nuclear weapon or Airline connected with a chemical and biological weapon well I mean don't you take it seriously don't you take it seriously the threat yes we take it seriously we take it seriously now because because look he has he may not have any other Battlefield instruments to to withstand the Ukrainian counter advances so I think Ukraine is taking this seriously and the International Community has to take it seriously after all we have several nuclear states in the world they have to react they have to prevent him from doing this they have to tell him about the dire consequences if he even dares to to to to to to to to to use it partially on the battlefield or on some remote areas these she should not he should not even think about this so that's my vice president when talking to the world leaders he he asks them Ukraine is a non-nuclear state we don't have a nuclear uh weapons you remember we we give it away in 2000 in in 1994 on our own Goodwill so that's why we need the protection of the rest of the nuclear powers to protect all the world not only Ukraine not only Europe all the work from using this uh nuclear weapon According to some newspapers NATO is said to have warned its members that Russia may be about to Stage a nuclear test or some other nuclear demonstration as a warning to Ukraine and the West do you give any Credence to these reports well we believe to all the credible information which our partners Western Partners provide to us and definitely did they inform you about this well definitely I think our security forces and intelligence forces have to be in contact with their relevant partners and have to have this information a defense analyst in Poland has reported that a train operated by Russia's nuclear division was bound for Ukraine have you received such reports well again I saw these news in the Press I don't necessarily have this official report and I don't think that something which is leaked to the Press is a real information but again we all should take it seriously and if you had had such a report would you tell me probably this is not the information I should tell to the press all right your president has promised you will liberate all the territory that Russia has seized does that include Crimea and tell me how you can achieve that goal and at the same time minimize the risk to the civilian populations that are living under occupation at the moment look Crimea is Ukraine you remember the format my present invented which is a Crimean platform this year we had a second stomach of Crimea platform in the online format obviously 40 leaders participated not only leaders of Europe and your Atlantic area but leaders of African countries Asian countries Latin American countries and each and every of them said Crimea as Ukraine and Ukraine has all the rights to deliberate this territory so answering your question yes definitely when my president is speaking about liberating all the territories of Ukraine he means all the territories really all the territories including the Ukrainian Peninsula so in the borders as of 24th of August 1991.
The instruments might be different uh so it's it's it's it's it's too complicated now to tell how we will Liberate the Crimea but definitely these these this goal is on our Radars will we be seeing more Guerrilla style attacks by the underground units that you've been training now for some time this sort of homeless distance there have been a lot of reports in the Press talking to these members of your Armed Forces do you believe that these groups can make Russia pay such a high cost over time that uh they will eventually relinquish the land that they've taken from you well if you must make specifically about Crimea we all notice that something something not good for Russia is taking place in the Crimea I don't know what is the origin of this but definitely not something good for Russia but but but generally speaking look we have a rather strong Armed Forces which you know what no one can doubt historically Ukraine has also has an experience of having the Guerrilla Wars I think many of the world has forgotten that Ukraine has know how knows how to fight we are fighting with Russia throughout the centuries I mean for more than 400 years Russia wanted to capture Ukraine and try to capture Ukraine in different formats be the formats of USSR or the Russian Empire so ukrainians having their blood the knowledge the The Experience how to fight including these this this this type of of of War which you call Guerrilla War but the once again look at what our armed forces are doing I think with this Tempo with this speed with this support of International Community we're enjoying I think uh the weeks the victory is more and more near obviously Russian troops are your primary targets do you also regard Russia's civilian administrators those who've been drafted into the so-called annexed areas do you regard them as legitimate targets as well look we are civilized country we're not we do not fight with civilians it's Russia who fights when when Finland failing to conquer the Ukrainian soldiers they try to not only try they are doing day and night uh bombing civilian objects civilian targets and civilian people we are fighting with the attorney and the enemies there are armed forces of Russia if you are if you are asking me about those uh those still ukrainians who are for instance you know cooperating with the occupation Powers we have in other instruments we have another instrument so the first instruments are being sanctions and by the way thank you for the International Community it was already preparing the sanctions for those who were agonizing those same referendums but the second is after we win the war each and every who was cooperating with the occupational authorities who was killed in Ukrainian Soldier and civilians will be will be punished will have his or her own way of responsibility that's why my president is now arguing about creating an international Tribunal for the for the for the for the Russians who are responsible for killing Ukrainian sojournal civilians that is why we are bringing this issue to the United Nations we are bringing this issue to our International Partners I think this will be the best possible way to punish them and what about reports of that there's been summary Justice for some of your own civilians the New York Times report in August said your special partisan units were killing those ukrainians who were deemed to be collaborating with the Russians is that true I know I can I cannot command uh this to you I do not have this information almost 2 000 ukrainians now face charges of having come implied with the demands of Russian Invaders or occupiers they could get up to 15 years in jail how certain can you be that they'll get a fair trial under the current circumstances uh definitely we will have a fair trial I mean look I will give you a very very very Vivid example you know when we liberated the areas of Northern Ukraine which is Butcher gustome we found an Evidence of many atrocities made by Russian Armed Forces when killing raping you know children women and men and we brought International inspectors from the international criminal court from our partner countries forensic experts detectives and they are you know were sickened for each and every evidence of these Collective crime but the crime is collective but the concrete persons who are responsible for the crime they're individuals and this is not only President Putin who gives the general orders there's a dictionary General each and every major each and every so soldier who is responsible so believe me we will be very scrupulous again with the support and help of our partners and we will bring each and every person to the Justice which he or she deserves collaboration is is difficult to prove isn't it Mr javka because how do you distinguish between those who were forced at the point of a gun to comply with orders or physically abused or whose relatives were threatened from people who wanted to help the Russians these are very tricky cases aren't they it's a very tricky cases but I don't think we have the first ever historical example of collaboration we will definitely use the historic experience believe me everyone who is now collaborating on his or her own will will be punished Putin's threats and denunciations last week was a a direct call for you to end the hostilities and talk peace we're ready for this Mr Putin said how do you see that offer you know from the beginning of this open War and my my my might saw this numerous appeals and speeches and reports and whatever and my president was ready for negotiations my president even created a a team who was negotiating with Russian team and you remember there were several meetings uh but we were ready for the negotiations for the for the fruitful negotiations not for the negotiations of the Russian conditions and you remember on some point of time Russians even started to listen to Ukrainian delegation and even took you know the draft proposals of Ukraine then out of a sudden out of a sudden they returned to our their previous position you can only negotiate with Russia and Russian conditions you can only negotiate on Russian redlines you can only Associated Russian ultimatums so when now we have the narrative or hear The Narrative of President Putin himself or his cronies that Russia is ready if Russia were ready to negotiations Russia would not have the same referendums because you might remember the words of my president back in March or April if Russia dares to make this sham referendums there is nothing to talk to Russia so tell me now what is to talk with us if Russia captures illegally trying to Annex four additional areas of Ukraine what is the subject of negotiations but hasn't your own president set out his own peace formula um that you know in advance the Russians aren't going to accept and will never accept I mean he laid out Five Points didn't he among them punishment for Russia's aggression and restoration of security and territorial Integrity I'm ruling out a settlement he said that isn't based on the Ukrainian peace formula so it's this way or no way is isn't that the position isn't your that your position well this was a peace formula but look where it was you know outer it was really you know outspoken in the united National General Assembly Tribune really this is a peace formula right you are the peace formula president Ukraine but the peace formula for the whole world we have our own experience so we do share it with International Community look what is happening of Ukraine look what should not happen here in each and every country anymore because when the aggressor feels he will not be punished later on because there is no illegal instrument because event is not doing the punishment there is no you know a world policeman can do this punishment so in order this to have not to happen My President is sharing his formula of peace right you are any more ends with negotiations so sooner or later these are that kind of negotiations will have to happen and we will be ready to settle down the the the conditions of victory of Ukraine but in this case negotiations should be resentful negotiations should bring together our partners together probably uh with Ukraine and that's why my president is telling about security guarantees after the war you know that this aggression not to happen anymore because Russia unfortunately when we expect will be always aggressive so we together now should think how this not only to end this aggression to bring the war to an end but how make this aggression not happen in the future or if it happens to have the legal guarantees of which country does what in order to secure peace in this part of the world but for the moment the the daughter peace talks is firmly shut isn't it for the time being the only talks could be on the battlefield let's talk about the issue if we may have Ukraine and NATO which has been there for many years and never goes away NATO membership in in August you criticized the alliance for not giving you any what you call solid Prospect of membership despite your Army's increasing compatibility with NATO troops and systems we know that NATO leaders are dodging the question in public of your membership what are they telling you behind the scenes are they more optimistic about that in private well you saw that on Friday by President someone an application for for for NATO membership and asked the the NATO members to to be to be thinking about this already now he didn't get much of a reply did he he didn't get much of a reply well why not why not uh on October 2nd we had the statement of night president of central European countries that they are absolutely welcome in the decision of Bucharest Summit in 2008 I have to remind you the Bucharest Summit 2008 was very clearly Ukraine should become a member of NATO and the first instrument should be membership action plan what is happening now we see that after Russia's open aggression many things changed it was Sweden and Finland they are almost entering NATO several protocols have to be ratified but they are entry native without membership action plan so Ukraine is telling okay we took notice of this we are now fighting the war we are enjoying the support and help of NATO allies all of them bring us Weaponry all of them helping us with sanctions all of them bring us financial assistance but look it's high time now to think what will happen after the war that's why my president is telling yes let's think about possible entering your Ukraine to Nato well or now let's all of you think about security guarantees for Ukraine at this period of time so we are suggesting vast option of choices and our partners no one said no I didn't say I didn't hear clear no say no Ukraine will never become a member of NATO the same is no one says but you didn't hear it yes either did you you didn't hear a yes either definitely NATO wasn't the consensus principle no one says that consensus discontentions will happen tomorrow but we should work on this now Ukraine puts the purposes to NATO allies and I think all each and everything should think what to do next as part of peace settlement would you ever agree not to join NATO no that's out of the question is it yes Mr javco what if in the end of this war you can't achieve outright Victory and the best you can get is not to lose would you settle for that right now with the country settle for that you know I like the DVD Visa stance which is expressed almost by all leaders of of the world who are speaking to my president it's only Ukraine and only Ukraine who will Define this scope of Victory what will mean victory for Ukraine and when you hear the narratives that someone is you know inclined in Ukraine or this or that you know conditions or whatever don't believe them believe me it's very hard you know to make president zielinsky to go to any you know surrenders or to meet any conditions which are not coinciding with the national interests of Ukraine we will fight we will fight to the end and the endless victory of Ukraine unfortunately no one will tell you now when will be this Victory and how many lives still to be sacrificed but again we deserve throughout this seven months of War that's only ukrainians Ukrainian president Ukrainian people Ukrainian Armed Forces who will decide uh what is the scope of Ukrainian Victory you talked about about thinking ahead to the end of the war do you foresee having to remain a heavy militarized State for the foreseeable future with security a constant priority always on your guard are you are you ready for that kind of future yes yes yes uh I think you're putting it rightly uh the situation will never be the same in Ukraine and around Ukraine uh you know many tell about the the the the common association with some other countries in the world but look Ukraine has its own destiny unfortunately yes and fortunately for us that after this war after this Victory Ukrainian Armed Forces will be ever stronger even a mighty more experience more skillful knowing how to fight with the modern equipment here into NATO standards by the way you know when when no one no one will tell you now or tell us now that you are not interoperable with with with NATO uh armed forces or whatever we are more than interoperable we are fighting now again definitely not with the second strongest army in the world but definitely not with the weakest army in the world so yes at this experience this experience we are ready to share we are ready to be this Forefront of the whole European continent where destined to be here we will not transfer Ukraine somewhere to to another part of the world so yes uh probably this will be the case for Ukraine very briefly some experts in the west have suggested that what we're witnessing with the conflict in Ukraine is the start of the third world war third world war between Russia and the West is that how you see this conflict no this is how Putin sees this conflict in his narrative he is already fighting not only with uh with the whole West not only with NATO you know but probably with the most part of the world except some countries who you know who's supporting him no this is false Russian narratives and probably this would be a visual thinking of Russia we are fighting with Russia we are fighting Russian aggressor it's not Ukraine who started the words Russia we started the world in 2014 then it started the open phase in 2022 we are fighting by our own we don't have Goods on the ground our armed forces are fighting yes but the support of modern equipment weapons Etc but we are destined to fight alone and we're destined to win this war it's been a pleasure to have you once conflict Zone thank you very much indeed for your time thank you thank you foreign
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